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Thgil Goldcore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.07 16:56:00 -
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While I agree with you Ston that all wars should be with words rather than guns, we all know its an impossible dream. There are many reasons why we can cite for this, but most notably one that you know all too well...
Even in an idelic world, people will always have disagreements. People are simply going to want the same things, or believe in different things, whatever the reason, conflict will emerge. While true, words could solve most conflicts, humanity has a habit of not properly considering the other side. Either by dismissing their arguments, ignoring their feelings, or simply not caring, this is a trap most people can fall prey to.
When dealing with two sides that will not and cannot move in the issue, violence becomes the only option for either to have their way... Perhaps to make the point clear let us consider the following story. Like any parable, you must consider that the confines of the story are in fact true, there is no easier way to solve the differences.
There are two men who live on a small island together. Both of which lived in harmony for quite some time, sharing food and resources and both being quite happy. One day a massive storm strikes the island and destroys most of the plants and animals whom support the two men, leaving just enough resources for only one to live (although barely). If they where to share they would certainly both die. What can they do?
Their options are limited:
Both die, They could die together by basically commiting suicide together.
One could die for the other, by commiting suicide.
Fight to the death, there is no other way.
For those concerned the options boil down to
I die
I die
I live.
What option would life itself pick? |
Thgil Goldcore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2011.09.07 17:46:00 -
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We would likely both say that we would want to be the bigger person and accept our own death...
however...
Put us both on the island, starving and seeing the end come... then ask the question, answers may be a bit different.
Also, in real life one isn't fighting just for themselves, but fighting for their love ones. It becomes alot more of a gray area in which case its abandon your friends or fight the stranger. |
Thgil Goldcore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:41:00 -
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Yes I am aware of the concept that value is a personal thing whom I feel is valuable you may not and vice versa. Neither of us would be wrong in that assumption either.
But tell me Ston, do you have a family? |
Thgil Goldcore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2011.09.12 04:27:00 -
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Although I understand my facilities are exceptional, I would like to think the premise of humane treatment and an honest lifestyle is a hallmark for anyone who considers themselves loyal to God and Empire. Still, I am aware this is not always the case. I have said it before and will say it again, I agree that these slaves who live in inhumane conditions deserve freedom and their holders are not agents of God.
If you where to take anything from your visit to my facilities I hope it would be that we are not the monsters the federation or republic would lead you to believe. I don't expect you to suddenly embrace my way, but hopefully understand why...
I would like to extend my offer of a tour of my facilities to anyone who is interested in inspecting them... of course... security is important to me as I wish to protect my servants and my operations, so I reserve the right to have reasonable restrictions and security measures. Contact me via evemail if your interested in touring my wine making facilities.
God's blessings upon you
Thgil Goldcore
Templar Lieutenant |
Thgil Goldcore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:07:00 -
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There is no need to put faithful in quotations as if we would not assist in helping save lives. I understand your brutal history Manwe but we Amarr are no monsters.
I would imagine that many slaves may be left on the field of battle, along with many other survivors, in minmatar space where capsuleer's conduct missions for agents. Since picking up the slaves would result in a crime, and most capsuleers don't take the time to sort out survivors.
a set of probes and a salvager module could do alot of good. |
Thgil Goldcore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2011.09.13 03:56:00 -
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I don't personally sing, mostly because my singing voice is about as harmonious as a slaverhound's bark. Although singing is always a part of the ritual of mass.
Tobias seems to be adapting well. He has recently moved from his time of solitude and should be going though placement about now. So we shall see where he ends up to best serve me and thus the Empire. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
110
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Posted - 2011.09.16 16:49:00 -
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A thought for you guys.
Why not anchor some containers in space near border stargates? You could have them equip to survive the riggers of space as well as loaded with O2. Its true that these would not be very comfortable living conditions, but that way pilots who want to enter space were slaves are illegal they can drop them off in your container instead. In addition this solves the problem of your hold not being large enough since you can load any slaves you do find in the container for safe keeping.
All in all, a very simple solution to your problem which should save many lives.... Just make sure to name the containers and let it be well advertised what they are there for.
((edit typo)) |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
110
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Posted - 2011.09.16 17:27:00 -
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You should only require Anchoring I... a very simple skill to learn which should only take a few moments to do so. The containers are also fairly cheap and easy to get your hands on, produced in almost every station. So all in all you will require an industrial ship filled with containers and fly about dropping them off. should be a simple matter.
As far as security, I do not know if a way to make them input only. Putting a password on them would defeat the whole idea as well; since if people cant put anything in them, whats the point. Sadly I do not know if there is a way to make it so only those at the deciples of Ston could withdraw the slaves, although that doesn't change things at all right now since floating containers can be accessed by anyone anyway.
So the containers wont protect against people taking them (not different from now), but it will protect against death by asphyxiation, a horrid way to die.
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Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
110
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Posted - 2011.09.17 03:23:00 -
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didn't know about the 100km thing... but it makes sense. Put em 150km or more from the gate so a pilot could warp to em. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
141
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Posted - 2011.12.04 02:07:00 -
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that's a rather callus way to put it.
But, in this case the tiers of life isn't the point. Its just as easy, if not easier, just to simply put the scientist's into a station. Sacking them is common practice, murder is not. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
141
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Posted - 2011.12.04 02:26:00 -
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Never argued that it wasn't realistic, just that it was Callous.
Although there is a difference between soldiers at war and murder of non-combatants. destroying enemies of the Empire who went to war willingly is a whole heap different than out and out murder. Being 'realistic' doesn't give you the right to kill just because you can. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
141
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Posted - 2011.12.04 09:04:00 -
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So, you feel that jetcanning someone to a slow painful death for no reason is just because we are big and they are small?
I pray I never loose my humanity to think that, or the lack of skill to assure crew death within moments of undocking.
I am aware there are plenty who do just that without second thought, but you're projecting an awful lot of your own practices onto myself, which is rather silly. I do not hide the fact that I kill, as a soldier its impossible to avoid that. But just because I kill does not mean that I don't protect life when possible. Being a capsuleer does not mean I don't stand for ideals larger than myself.
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Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
145
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Posted - 2011.12.07 00:10:00 -
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As you well know Ston, not all of us abandon our homes upon taking to the stars. Having seen my estate for yourself I know you're aware some of us keep to our roots and never forget them.
If I ever need a reminder why I fight for my Empire and where the good in it all lies, a simple visit is all it takes.
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Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
163
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Posted - 2011.12.12 16:47:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote:humanitarian Capsuleers
A rare find sadly.
It takes alot of power to become a capsuleer, usually power corrupts eve the most honest of men. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
302
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Posted - 2012.01.03 16:23:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:THE URBAN BLIGHT OF THE SPACE LANES
One of the space routes that we patrol is refequented by advertisers. Most of this are corporations seekng to recruit memebers but some advertise other things as well. The typical MO is to anchor a secure container far enough from the gate to make anchoring possible but close enough to be seen on the neo com as approaching the gate. This blight of adverts doesn't usually get under my skin too much until today.
Someone dropped a small standard can advertising a gambling scam to make you rich quick. Greed, being one of the basest of human vices, is easy to pull on. Greed can easily cloud the senses and contaminate good judgement. Now, try to catch the point here: The advertiser used a small, unanchorable container costing a couple thousand ISK. He probably assumed that those who frequent this corridor would leave it be, knowing it was of little value. That way the advertisment could stay for some time and maybe catch a few. Afterall, who bothers with thousands, when millions can be made?
I felt compelled to scoop it up and repackage it for something more useful. I am sure the centers can use it for some good.
Not to be contrary, but isn't that like removing his freedom of speech you value so much, simply because you think hes morally inferior. Many talk strong against the empire for removing freedoms for sake of morality or order, but when given the same choices in miniature they almost all do the same thing.
Now before you go saying 'this is different!' No, its not. Did you act because you felt you where morally superior and thus your voice should be stronger than his? Yes, you did. There is nothing wrong with that, you where in the right, obviously, but I am trying to make you understand the Amarrian point of view, something that your apparently not too far from yourself. |
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